- Maybe it was just my family but, growing up, the adults and older kids had a very simple rule which kept family get-togethers running smooth(ish): Meal conversations were not to include religion or politics or the politics OF religion- or the politics of our family's old church which, I'll just politely say, was at most times more politics than actual church.
- I have my opinions regarding our (the United States and international) laws, economy, civil rights, crime trends, etc. On certain issues, I have very strong beliefs. On other subjects, I have wavering or ever-changing stances. On a lot of things, I'm completely (or at least mostly) uninformed and I've not the gumption to argue something I know very little about.
- There aren't many topics on which I think there is a bindingly obvious "right" side to take. Yes, even regarding the issues on which I'm strongly swayed. For example, I'm stubbornly grounded to one side of our country's gun control issue. However, I can very easily understand the "other" side and why they feel as strongly as they do. I can be objective, I can see their reasoning yet I can (and do) still adamantly disagree.
(That last part being said, let me be clear that I'm talking about other decent people in general and I'm not saying that I could sit and have an objective conversation with a face-of-evil like, say, Hitler. I couldn't. At all. I'd probably shank him.)
Here are the basics so far, if you're not keeping up: A) I don't like tensing up friendly situations with combative political bickering, B) I don't presume to defend or discount things I haven't even Google'd, let alone actually learned about and, C) My humanity is still intact enough that I can seek out understanding of the opposition instead of casting them aside as though they are worthless or morons or anything less than a person who is simply from a different walk of life than myself.
That's just how I roll, y'all.
I think it's absolutely captivating to listen to someone talk about an issue they feel very strongly about, even if I don't exactly concur. I think its beautiful for a person to care so much about something that is so much bigger than them. I do. I think that the only way to progress and improve as a nation is for enough people who truly care to do something. And, that HAS to start as talking it out. I guess I just get lost at the "low blows" and inappropriateness that happens so often in this territory. When it comes to two normal people, two adults with no grand political influence, two friends even- each on a different side of a certain topic- who get into an intense battle and come out with stuff like "That's what I would expect from you, you [expletive] slut." Whoa, guys. Chill out. She said she supports the idea of pills like Plan B, she didn't say she thinks they need to be sold alongside the Skittles.
Is it such a silly thing to want to see people I care about calmly talk as though they understand that not everyone can be of the same exact mind? Also, can we talk about the not so ideal places that people choose to stand at their invisible podium and preach?
There are plenty of times and plenty of places for discussing, however heatedly, your political views. I just happen to think that a child's birthday party or a friend's baby shower or a grocery checkout line are all improper venues for that type of discussion to take place. I'm here for Dutch Chocolate ice cream and a loaf of bread, sir, but yes I would love to hear your ideas on the white vs. minority correlation to violent crime. Uhm, actually no. That's sarcasm and all I really want to do is shove a spoon in my ear. After I use said spoon to eat my Blue Bell, that is. Also, it'd be sarcasm if I said I wanted to argue about our failing education system while I'm watching my child blow out her candles. I'm not naive and I don't think ignoring issues makes them go away. I just have this perhaps juvenile wish that my happy or less-stressed moments are kept that way. We can always argue women's reproductive rights tommorow, but right now my kids are enjoying the park and I just want to watch them be amazed by that butterfly.
People are so openly combative over some things that I sometimes do wonder what it'd have been like if my family had been as open to the politically charged discussions back in the day. Would Uncle John's ex-wife have been offput by Daddy's hard right-leaning views? (Probably.) Would Mom and Uncle Mike have fought even harder than they did over the whipped/sour cream incident? (Don't ask.) Would Aunt Sandy and Nana have talked women's reproductive rights over coffee? (I can totally picture Nana knitting us blankets as she spoke about her own youth.) If my Aunt C had been involved in a Second Amendment debate with my cousin's girlfriend's liberal parents, would we children have ever been given the gift of her burping contests or M&M stashes? (You WISH you had an aunt that cool.)
All in all, I'm glad my sometimes backwards family had the ground rule we did. I took from it an ability to accept the friendship or company of another person without needing to prescreen their donkey/elephant affiliations. As fun as its been as an adult to gain insight into those family member's stances, I'm certainly going to raise my children in a similar environment (maybe less of the mullet-y hair, though, I'm talking to YOU dad and Uncle John). I don't want my kids to hear me tell a family friend that they're an idiot for voting one way and then grow to reject anything different. I don't want my kids to see me scoff at everything another parent says after discovering their opinion on our healthcare system and then think they have to reject that parent's kids.
I just don't want my kids to be mean, that's all. Politics or not.

Totally agree! I think there is a time and a place. And, unfortunately, some people think it is ALWAYS their time!
ReplyDeleteVery well put post!
Exactly! Those people can seriously bring down the mood and "kill the moment" can't they?
DeleteThank too!
I love your blog. I just wrote a blog kind of like this! CRAZY. I don't agree with anyone who gets nasty when you don't agree with them. I have gotten to a point where I don't talk about beliefs or anything with anyone anymore. It makes things easier!
ReplyDeleteThank you! :) I commented on your recent blog post, did you get it?
DeleteYes, it sometimes is SO.much easier to just avoid these topics than to debate them with sometime stubborn and close-minded!
I don't see anything? Which blog post? I am all for everyone having their own opinion, I just don't want it forced on me. haha :)
DeleteOh yes. I am very strong on many political stances, and I show them off pretty well online. I'm sure some people get tired of it. But, you'd be hard pressed to find me talking about in person with someone, unless they ASKED me about it or brought up the subject themselves. And, because I am so outspoken with my beliefs, people will come at me to argue their points at the worst possible moments. Don't invite me out to coffee so that you can argue with me over my political views. I also think that it's best to leave politics out of family gatherings and friendships. I have plenty of friends who don't believe the same things as me. As long as they respect my opinion, as I respect theirs, we are good.
ReplyDeleteI actually think Facebook (and other social media platforms) are a pretty ideal place to open a political discussion. I know a lot of people that would disagree with me but it makes sense- 1) You're not forced to respond or argue- if you see something you don't want to debate, you can keep scrolling. When you're engaged in a face-to-have conversation with someone and they bring up a controversial issue, its kinda hard to just ignore it. 2) You're not even forced to be subjected to it. If you know someone is particularly opinionated about something that you're tired of hearing about, you can just hide their status updates or defriend them. Stuck in line with a man who wants to discuss politics behind you, you wish you could just click a button shut him up. 3) It has a pontentially wide reach. It can connect a large network of people with the same beliefs or inform a large number of people of an issue who would've been unaware.
DeleteAnd, yeah, I always read your politically charged statuses. Lol. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I don't. But, if I don't feel like I have something substantial to contribute to discussions like that then I don't feel the need to speak up at all. And, I actually learned a lot about some things I was ill-informed on while browsing some of your things, even when it was an area in which we'd disagree.
Like you said, its basically about mutual respect. And common decency. That old quote "I disapprove of what you have to say but I'll defend to death your right to say it." always comes to mind! Have an opinion, however different than mine, by all means! Just don't attack me for my own! Ya know?
Oh, definitely. I respect everyone's opinion. To be honest, though, I have come to a point where someone arguing with me in the check out line at the grocery store would probably end in them feeling very ashamed. First off, unless you are protesting something, or it is during an election year, something like that, I almost feel it is inappropriate to publicly speak about politics, anyway. If I am really that against/for something, I would rather rally for it, and get a bunch of other people with the same views to join me. That way people can decide for themselves whether they want to hear about it or not. I hope that makes sense. Lol.
DeleteI love this - it's so ridiculous. I've even gone so far trying to rid the negativity and general angriness out there by cutting the blogs i follow that just seem to be mean all the time to someone or something...i mean, heck, we all have bad days, but when every post, status, or tweet is miserable or attacking? No thanks, no time. Well done, following your blog:)
ReplyDeleteYou're one of my favorite bloggers so this pretty much makes me giddy. On a less stalker-y note, I agree- there's funny, sarcastic, witty, snarky... but then there's just mean and I hate the just mean!
DeleteYAY for this!!! Just because someone doesn't agree with me doesn't give me the right to start calling them names. We know this, I just wish everyone did!!
ReplyDeleteExactly! At least not any names publicly! Lol. No, that's totally how I feel- I don't care how different a life you lead from me; I'll respect your right to do so!
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